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  • #31
    Originally posted by Tai View Post
    It's not fair to say so. Let's put it this way; if I had two shirts and they both happened to be dirty, one was less dirty than the other. And I had to wear one right here right now. I'd definitely pick the less dirty one!!!
    Oh okay, so you're saying the current lot are less corrupt than Toxin and thats a vote winner? I don't agree with that, but each to their own.

    Toxins corruption and nepotism has been well documented, but the others? Well no, because they're still in power.

    Edit - went off topic
    'Tis me

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    • #32
      caller, You did not address most of my previous questions, in the main. No problem there.

      I've one more. Do you feel Thaksin, who is still fairly rich, and does not need to enter politics again, is involved with these Thai elections via his sister, because he cares for the Thai people so much, after all he doesn't need to do so?

      What a man. To give of his time, and his money, for no reward. Just for the good of the Thai people. I'm sure if he was a christian, he would be in line for sainthood, don't you think? .

      Dave.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Tai View Post
        You can't be serious!! Being convicted in Thailand made him guilty as anywhere else. We do have judicial system and this was the judicial decision.

        But the judicial system in Thailand is a joke, even Mr T said 25% of those in Thai prisons were innocent. You are meant to be innocent until proved guilty, in practice it is the other way around. Judges are poorly trained and often got into post due to family influence and or money, much like the top millitary and Police. I don't care who wins as being products of a corrupt dishonest system they are all pretty much the same. if I did have the vote I would vote for the woman though as Mr A has failed to live up to his much promised reconciliation and has proved to be even more draconian then Mr T. Give the woman a crack at it, I'd love to see all those guys loosing face when getting their orders from her

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        Originally posted by Thaddeus View Post
        I know quite a few ex-pats here with wives, and more importantly, children, who would take issue with that.
        who do they think will improve ex pat lives and how? Are you thinking of the Democrats planed law to steal ex pat land and houses in Phuket 'bought' by proxy?

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        Originally posted by prioritypress View Post
        If $1.88bn is a minor conflict of interest

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sale_of...masek_Holdings


        Nick
        I am always amazed at how many quote wikipedia as gospel, if you ever really know something about a subject the articles are often either wrong, or as biased as a newspaper.

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        • #34
          Brian99, Brilliant statements in your last post. You must have been in vey close proximity to the hierarchy in Thailand to have such privileged knowledge. Such awareness of how judges get their positions, and all those facts about the prison system. We are lucky to have a member with such inside knowledge. At least we know what you say is gospel, which is reassuring with so much misinformation about.

          Dave.

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          • #35
            brian99

            So you're telling me you know more than the Bangkpost, The Nation, Businessweek or AFP?

            A couple more examples:

            Thai govt gives "soft loan" to Burma. Thaksin owned company get 600m Bahts worth of orders.

            http://www.nationmultimedia.com/spec...wcase.php?id=6

            Thaksin's son get's awarded exclusive advertising rights to the Bangkok metro (at the age of 23)

            http://www.asiamedia.ucla.edu/articl...parentid=10488

            etc etc etc

            Do your research!


            Nick

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            • #36
              Mr Thaksin dangled inducements to the poor(and largely uneducated) knowing fine well that it was a vote winner.Everytime I see him i keep looking for horns growing out of his head;reminds one of a certain mythical character who uses similar tricks to 'gain' souls.His daughter is just a puppet but the reality is that she will in all probability win...what does that tell you about Thai society.
              On another note...who do you think will be more sympathic to the plight of foreigners living in Thailand ? It ain,t going to be the money grabbing Thaksin clan thats for sure!
              Just realised this is post under the wifes name but it is by Galahad
              Last edited by poo; 2 Jul 2011, 18:47. Reason: posted under wifes name
              S Thompson

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              • #37
                Originally posted by ddwjg View Post
                caller, You did not address most of my previous questions, in the main. No problem there.

                I've one more. Do you feel Thaksin, who is still fairly rich, and does not need to enter politics again, is involved with these Thai elections via his sister, because he cares for the Thai people so much, after all he doesn't need to do so?

                What a man. To give of his time, and his money, for no reward. Just for the good of the Thai people. I'm sure if he was a christian, he would be in line for sainthood, don't you think? .

                Dave.
                Dave, I'm not an expert on any of this by any stretch of the imagination, but I have read and continue to read and research and learn. What I don't get and I seriously don't get, is that somehow Toxin is seen as the the bogeyman and the current establishment isn't? Its as much the other way around for me. Toxin was supported by the establishment initially but his power, from his supporters, all effectively disenfranchised in the past - sure they had a vote, but for what? - scared the powers that be, thats my own personal view from what I have gleaned of the history.

                Previously, whoever was in power had treated the rural poor as fodder, there were no policies geared to their needs and suddenly they were enpowered and continue to be so. I think most now accept that the 'red shirts' are in effect an unholy alliance of various factions whose main and possibly only unifying factor is to see change take place and that isn't going to happen under the Democrats.

                Unless Thailand moves to a Burma type scenario, that change is inevitable as history has taught us and the establishment would be better spending their time bringing that about rather than sitting in their ivory towers, pretending all the unrest will go away.

                Tai - I don't know if you are Thai? But to say the rural poor should go back to rely on being self-sufficient i.e. barely making a living and surviving is an astonishing comment to make, IMHO. And quite obscene considering how much wealth is in the Country. Why are the villages full of the old and poor, with the youngsters all working away, or even as labourers abroad? How can they all survive when the cost of everything is controlled and not in their favour, or ecological disasters happen because of mismanagement of the land, which isn't so productive anymore? The world is moving on and Thailand needs to move with it.

                Soory, another edit. If you lived in a village, praticising self-suffiency and last year, through no fault of your own, you were flooded out and had to go and stay with relatives elsewhere for the duration, and when you returned, everything was ruined, from mattresses to the fridge, to cooking facilities, everything in effect, not to mention your current crop and you received only 3000 baht in compensation, as my wifes family did, would you want to vote for the status quo?
                'Tis me

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                • #38
                  Interesting read about wealth distribution and politics:

                  http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2009...n_30115689.php


                  Nick

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by brian99 View Post
                    But the judicial system in Thailand is a joke, even Mr T said 25% of those in Thai prisons were innocent. You are meant to be innocent until proved guilty, in practice it is the other way around. Judges are poorly trained and often got into post due to family influence and or money, much like the top millitary and Police.
                    There might be some crooks in the Thai courts of laws, but it's not all a joke. There are times when they cannot be bought. At least this one time (please read the news below) that was out to the public knowledge. When it did really matter to the country's benefits.

                    http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home...-30076616.html

                    http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home...-30076734.html

                    I hope the above links will give you another perspective about Thailand's judicial system.

                    Why would Mr T say that and so accurate about the figure of the innocents thrown to jail? Any chance those 25% he referred to were the scapegoats arrested and prosecuted during his administration's "Fight Against Drugs" campaign? Not to mention many got killed during supposedly arrests. One case, it was a woman who just won a lottery, but alas the immediate fortune made her become under suspicion of being a drugs dealer. "Fight Against Drugs" squad shot her during the arrest. She didn't have a chance to enjoy her wealth that long.
                    Regards,
                    Tai

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by caller View Post
                      Oh okay, so you're saying the current lot are less corrupt than Toxin and thats a vote winner? I don't agree with that, but each to their own.

                      Toxins corruption and nepotism has been well documented, but the others? Well no, because they're still in power.
                      I can't answer for everyone but for me yes. Like you said yourself in the previous post. What alternative do such folks have? And this is my solution, I'll choose the one that less corrupt. Since I was first eligible to vote, I've been voting "No" but not this time. It's just a strategic vote, not that I like or support any party in particular. In my opinion, Thailand can't afford to have another one of the Shinawatra clan in power.

                      Well wasn't that the case with Thug-sin? When he was in power he was untouchable as well. And not to worry, the time will come for those who are corrupt in this current government sooner or later. If it's happened to Thug-sin, it'll happen to other politicians too.
                      Regards,
                      Tai

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                      • #41
                        Interesting stuff but despite all this I think Yingluk will get it and the circus will start again

                        colin 244

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by caller View Post
                          Tai - I don't know if you are Thai? But to say the rural poor should go back to rely on being self-sufficient i.e. barely making a living and surviving is an astonishing comment to make, IMHO. And quite obscene considering how much wealth is in the Country. Why are the villages full of the old and poor, with the youngsters all working away, or even as labourers abroad? How can they all survive when the cost of everything is controlled and not in their favour, or ecological disasters happen because of mismanagement of the land, which isn't so productive anymore? The world is moving on and Thailand needs to move with it.
                          Every government has been aware of these problems. Every government's been trying to tackle the problems but so far no one is successful yet.

                          Don't get me wrong, I do understand that the world is moving on and Thailand needs to move with it. But we have to bring other factors into consideration as well. Maybe we don't have the ability to stride with the same pace as the rest of the world just yet. And what Thug-sin did, it was like he gave someone some fish just enough to make a meal, instead of educating them how to make a fish farm which will benefit them in a long term.

                          Originally posted by caller View Post
                          Soory, another edit. If you lived in a village, praticising self-suffiency and last year, through no fault of your own, you were flooded out and had to go and stay with relatives elsewhere for the duration, and when you returned, everything was ruined, from mattresses to the fridge, to cooking facilities, everything in effect, not to mention your current crop and you received only 3000 baht in compensation, as my wifes family did, would you want to vote for the status quo?
                          I do feel sorry for their unfortunate and understand their point of view. But sorry my vote is not for sale!
                          Regards,
                          Tai

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                          • #43
                            When the "clever conspirators" who didn't like him "helping the poor/doing good with THEIR money" they forced the belief that his business interests were in conflict with his running the country, so what did he do, sold them, then when they couldn't get him on that, everyone's told OMG look who he sold them to... I think they played so many "head" games with people as he was getting more "popularity" power, that they eventually ended up with no other option than the coup, which they even made sure he was out of the country before they risked that :-S

                            "When he was in power he was untouchable as well."

                            When he was in "democratic power" the certain people in "hidden power" didn't think so did they, it was the way they went about it that amazes me.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by KhunIanB-UK View Post
                              When the "clever conspirators" who didn't like him "helping the poor/doing good with THEIR money" they forced the belief that his business interests were in conflict with his running the country, so what did he do, sold them, then when they couldn't get him on that, everyone's told OMG look who he sold them to... I think they played so many "head" games with people as he was getting more "popularity" power, that they eventually ended up with no other option than the coup, which they even made sure he was out of the country before they risked that :-S
                              Wow! If you weren't a British, I'd assume that you were a "hard core" red-shirt.


                              Originally posted by KhunIanB-UK View Post
                              When he was in "democratic power" the certain people in "hidden power" didn't think so did they, it was the way they went about it that amazes me.
                              http://www.nationmultimedia.com/home...-30077613.html

                              That's how he got to be in so-called "democratic power." (Yongyuth is a member of his Party.) And again, the latter part of the sentence would be the thing like a "hard core" red-shirt utter over and over again during their protest. Heard it somewhere that if a lie is repeated often enough, people will eventually believe that it is a truth. Sounds like a brainwash to me!!
                              Regards,
                              Tai

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by poo View Post
                                On another note...who do you think will be more sympathic to the plight of foreigners living in Thailand ? It ain,t going to be the money grabbing Thaksin clan thats for sure!
                                Just realised this is post under the wifes name but it is by Galahad
                                Galahad. As a foreigner living in Thailand, I am at a loss to understand what you mean by 'plight'. Could you explain what you mean.., please.

                                Dave.

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