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  • #16
    We will find out very soon

    colin 244

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    • #17
      Maybe some of the older Thais who vote and are from the NE will recall their land being stolen, being forcibly relocated to where land was infertile, forests being degraded, useless dams being built robbing folk of their land, all with little or no compensation. With Protest leaders and environmentalists being killed and then being beaten themselves by the Police and military when they protested. Maybe, just maybe, thats why they don't care much for the status quo?

      Not saying Toxin was anything other than a chip off the same block, but once he actually listened to those who were trying to get his support, he got elected and did at least keep some of his election promises, which was probably a first.

      What alternative do such folk have?
      'Tis me

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      • #18
        Originally posted by caller View Post

        What alternative do such folk have?
        Stealing the Tobias phrase "Indeed" and whilst on the subject of this word don't you find it annoying TV people keep saying "Indeed" ?

        colin 244

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        • #19
          Simple fact...Thaksin's a thief and a convicted criminal.

          His sister's election will be nothing to do with a new dawn or feminist enlightenment but everything to do with the family name...which is really all she has to offer.

          (S)he is (for some) the best of a bad lot.

          Nick

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          • #20
            Maybe but up to the Thai's what they decide and then ............. Do you believe the Army "we will not get involved"

            colin 244

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            There is a Thai speaking on hardtalk on the BBC news channel right now

            colin 244

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            • #21
              Their land being stolen by who??? This problem has been going for a long time, in Thug-sin's administration too. And one of his party's members owns such a big resort on Khao Yai as well. Exactly, he kept promises to those who voted for his party! But what about the rest of Thailand? After he was ousted, the new administration found out that the country's reserved fund was left very little. It was the result from those mega-projects of his, plus the "one million baths per village" scheme. With all due respect to the NE people, they may think Thug-sin is the remedy to poverty, but in the long run, Thailand might face the same fate as Argentina. Then Thug-sin and his family with their fortune can go and live anywhere in the world. And what choice do people in the NE and the rest of the country have? Nothing but to stay put to pick up the pieces.

              This is not a matter of the status quo, not about the people in the NE, it's about the country's benefits as a whole.
              Regards,
              Tai

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              • #22
                Originally posted by caller View Post
                Maybe some of the older Thais who vote and are from the NE will recall their land being stolen, being forcibly relocated to where land was infertile, forests being degraded, useless dams being built robbing folk of their land, all with little or no compensation. With Protest leaders and environmentalists being killed and then being beaten themselves by the Police and military when they protested. Maybe, just maybe, thats why they don't care much for the status quo?

                What alternative do such folk have?
                This quote above is confusing. You talk about old folks remembering what happened, hence one presumes it was a long time ago. Therefore it has nothing to do with the 'status quo', which is now. What government, if any were in power at that time, and why is it relevant to the current election.

                Confused.

                Dave.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by prioritypress View Post
                  Simple fact...Thaksin's a thief and a convicted criminal.

                  His sister's election will be nothing to do with a new dawn or feminist enlightenment but everything to do with the family name...which is really all she has to offer.

                  (S)he is (for some) the best of a bad lot.

                  Nick

                  Being convicted in Thailand does not mean he was guilty, and he was not convicted of corruption, only a minor charge of a conflict of interest. They got Samak on the same flimsy charge as he had a cooking programe. The democrats received corrupt and illegal payments and should have been banned, just forgotten about of course.Thaksin changed Thai politics, just look at how the Democrats have copied his polices towards the rural poor who have spent even more in the NE, you could say they have been trying to bribe people, not that it will do them much good. I expect the democrats will loose heavily, but still somehow will manage to stay in power by forming deals with smaller parties, if not give it 18 months and the tanks will be sent in again, after a few more trumped up charges have been tried.

                  Nothing of this pantomime makes any difference to us of course as none of them have any policies to improve our lives here, we will always be 'aliens' with no rights having to watch that we don't upset anyone important lest our future be put at risk, trotting off to the cops every 90 days just to tell them we still live here and having to jumps through hoops when getting a moody officer on extension day.

                  Nobody in Thai politics impresses at all, and most seem corrupt, lazy or just plain stupid. Maybe time to give a woman a chance as the men can't seem to bring people together.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by brian99 View Post
                    Nothing of this pantomime makes any difference to us of course as none of them have any policies to improve our lives here,
                    I know quite a few ex-pats here with wives, and more importantly, children, who would take issue with that.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by brian99 View Post
                      Being convicted in Thailand does not mean he was guilty, and he was not convicted of corruption, only a minor charge of a conflict of interest. .
                      If $1.88bn is a minor conflict of interest

                      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sale_of...masek_Holdings


                      Nick

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by brian99 View Post
                        Being convicted in Thailand does not mean he was guilty, and he was not convicted of corruption, only a minor charge of a conflict of interest. They got Samak on the same flimsy charge as he had a cooking programe.
                        You can't be serious!! Being convicted in Thailand made him guilty as anywhere else. We do have judicial system and this was the judicial decision. And of course, would a criminal leave evidences behind waiting to be uncovered to use them against him? So the Thai authorities had to come up with something because he had to be stopped. And for Samak's case, stupid it may sound but he did breach the laws and yet again on the grounds of a conflict of interest. And if you think this kind of thing is not significant by some MPs in England got convicted only just wrongly claimed personal expenses!!!

                        Originally posted by brian99 View Post
                        Thaksin changed Thai politics, just look at how the Democrats have copied his polices towards the rural poor who have spent even more in the NE, you could say they have been trying to bribe people, not that it will do them much good.
                        Thug-sin not just changed Thai politics, he changed some people's habits in the NE too. He changed them from believing in hard working and being self-sufficient to someone who is addicted to quick handouts.

                        Originally posted by brian99 View Post
                        I expect the democrats will loose heavily, but still somehow will manage to stay in power by forming deals with smaller parties, if not give it 18 months and the tanks will be sent in again, after a few more trumped up charges have been tried.
                        Agree that the Democrat may lose and will somehow manage to form a coalition government. But of course it'll be according to what laws allow them to do. The party with most votes will have a chance to do that first. But if they couldn't work things out with the small parties then the second most votes party will have a chance to do so. Isn't that what happening in the UK, a coalition government? Both the Labour and the Conservative parties tried to negotiate with the Lib Dem to form a coalition right after the results released. Please do not say that it can be done else where but once it is done in Thailand it becomes unacceptable!!!
                        Regards,
                        Tai

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Tai View Post
                          And if you think this kind of thing is not significant by some MPs in England got convicted only just wrongly claimed personal expenses!!!
                          Correction: It should be read: And if you think this kind of thing is not significant why some MPs in England got convicted only just wrongly claimed personal expenses!!!
                          Regards,
                          Tai

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by ddwjg View Post
                            This quote above is confusing. You talk about old folks remembering what happened, hence one presumes it was a long time ago. Therefore it has nothing to do with the 'status quo', which is now. What government, if any were in power at that time, and why is it relevant to the current election.

                            Confused.

                            Dave.
                            Much of it is recent history and was the basis of the long marches to Bkk. I said older, not old.

                            Tai - Toxins wife was indeed implicated in the land grabs. I agree they are all as bad as each other but to say Toxin has had no impact on Thai politics is with respect, a bit silly, as is evidenced by what this election is about with warnings by Abhisit and the Countries rulers about the man. Then there is the ongoing interest in him and his sisters current role, not to mention his being re-elected as leader, a first and then the coup and all the shananagans since. The NE is empowered through him and according to reports, such as in this mornings Independent, many women now feel the same as well.

                            I guess some folk are happy to have their own corrupt leader in power rather than the establishments?

                            Only time will tell whether the change, influence and empowerment, whether intentional or not (I think the coup helped) bought about by Toxin will last, or just be a temporary blip? But we all know that massive change will take place in Thailand sooner rather than later, whatever the outcome of this election.

                            Edit - some changes to text to improve point trying to make.
                            'Tis me

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                            • #29
                              From the Wikipedia link:- "The transaction made the Prime Minister the target of accusations that he was selling an asset of national importance to a foreign entity, and hence selling out his nation. The Democrat party spokesman called Thaksin worse than Saddam for not protecting the Thai economy from foreigners: "Dictator Saddam, though a brutal tyrant, still fought the superpower for the Iraqi motherland.""

                              How much were they trying to discredit him :-S

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by caller;133252I
                                guess some folk are happy to have their own corrupt leader in power rather than the establishments?
                                It's not fair to say so. Let's put it this way; if I had two shirts and they both happened to be dirty, one was less dirty than the other. And I had to wear one right here right now. I'd definitely pick the less dirty one!!!
                                Regards,
                                Tai

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